Google is trying to put the web in a cage in the same way they put your devices in a cage (Android, ChromeOS).
There’s one really easy, simple and efficient way to fight them: uninstall Chrome/Chromium, use #firefox
Do it. Now.
– But I prefer Chrome because of…
If you are not ready to sacrifice a little comfort (so little, Firefox is great) to save the web, then you don’t deserve a free web anyway. You are part of those killing it.
Remove Chrome. Install Firefox.
(with adblockers)
ont partagé
fenarinarsa
en réponse à ploum • • •XtoF
en réponse à fenarinarsa • • •fenarinarsa
en réponse à XtoF • • •@xtof Open tabs with different contexts. Very very very very useful. Also "facebook jail" extension opens all Meta/Facebook sites in a specific "jailed" context from the rest of the web.
addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firef…
Firefox Multi-Account Containers – Get this Extension for 🦊 Firefox (en-US)
addons.mozilla.orglucas 🎺
en réponse à fenarinarsa • • •@fenarinarsa @xtof does that mean it’s harder for Facebook to track your non-Facebook behaviour?
ie when I do a search for “piano keyboards” on my local Music Store website I don’t go to Facebook and end up bombarded with ads for plastic music instruments?
cracrayol
en réponse à lucas 🎺 • •There is also a container plugin specifically made for isolating Facebook: addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firef…
Virtue signal 💉💉💉🇺🇸 🇺🇦
en réponse à cracrayol • • •@cracrayol
Current versions of Firefox will isolate Facebook and everything else automatically. This is the FPI feature where every first-party site you visit (the one in the Location bar) has its own separate cookie+cache storage. This makes 3rd-party tracking far more difficult.
Containers allow you to explicitly isolate according to your own designations, so that you can look like two different users to the same 1st-party site (ex. if you have 'work' & 'personal' fedi accounts).
Thibault Molleman🇧🇪 🌈🐝
en réponse à fenarinarsa • • •I can't go back to chrome since i started using containers multiple years ago. Chrome is really terrible when you need to be signed in to multiple accounts in hindsight
@xtof @ploum
Mike Torr
en réponse à ploum • • •Ludovic :Firefox: :FreeBSD:
en réponse à ploum • • •Florian Judith
en réponse à ploum • • •Niavy
en réponse à ploum • • •Tristan Nitot✓
en réponse à ploum • • •Benjamin Sonntag-King 🐙
en réponse à Tristan Nitot✓ • • •@nitot @theolong très bon choix
il n'en reste pas moins que si chrome se met à fournir une API qui permet de bloquer les adbloqueurs de manière industrielle
et que des sites refusent de s'afficher si l'adbloqueur est présent, on aura un problème :/
Peut-être lutter contre cette norme absurde *en plus* d'utiliser et promouvoir les adbloqueurs parait un bon choix ?
ploum
en réponse à Benjamin Sonntag-King 🐙 • • •@vincib @nitot @theolong : ptêtre qu’en fait, on a pas vraiment besoin d’aller sur ces sites ?
Ça fait quelques années que si un site ne s’affiche pas correctement avec mes adblocks ou si il y’a des trucs trop envahissants, j’ai le réflexe de fermer immédiatement. J’essaie même pas.
Sûr, c’est peut-être du contenu intéressant. Mais je ne manque pas de contenu intéressant.
bituur esztreym
en réponse à ploum • • •pareil.
et puis en plus j'aime pas les "contenus" (mais c'est une autre histoire)
Benjamin Sonntag-King 🐙
en réponse à ploum • • •@nitot @theolong c'est pas faux :)
ça m'est arrivé quelques fois ces dernières années, oui,
ouvrir le site
grmpff
refermer :)
zzz
en réponse à Benjamin Sonntag-King 🐙 • • •@vincib
En général adblock + JS bloqué par défaut ça ouvre pas mal de portes. Et les sites réticents :
@nitot @theolong
ploum
en réponse à zzz • • •@diarra @vincib @nitot @theolong : à part sur Mastodon, moi j’utilise Offpunk.
sr.ht/~lioploum/offpunk/
offpunk: An offline first command-line browser for the smolnet
sr.htStefan Monnier
en réponse à ploum • • •ploum
Parent inconnu • • •bituur esztreym
en réponse à ploum • • •ah mirzi !
Théophraste Longuet
en réponse à ploum • • •Shangrin
en réponse à ploum • • •Wandering Thinker
en réponse à Shangrin • • •Teedi P.
en réponse à ploum • • •Wandering Thinker
en réponse à Teedi P. • • •ploum
en réponse à ploum • • •Anyway, who needs a graphical browser when you can read all the Web and #Gemini (and #gopher) in the comfort of your terminal with Offpunk ?
sr.ht/~lioploum/offpunk/
offpunk: An offline first command-line browser for the smolnet
sr.htTrit’
en réponse à ploum • • •Besoin, je sais pas ; mais sans te vexer, je préfère quand même Lagrange.
Quant à parler de confort avec le Terminal… C’est pour l’occupation de RAM réduite que je serais plus volontiers d’accord.
Entité terrestre auto-critique
en réponse à ploum • • •Reeter
en réponse à ploum • • •Il y a de réelles plus-values par rapport à HTTP ?
ploum
en réponse à Reeter • • •Gemini, le protocole du slow web
ploum.netReeter
en réponse à ploum • • •Maaz Ali
en réponse à ploum • • •ploum
en réponse à Maaz Ali • • •@257m : offpunk has a different interface. It is command-based (CLI) (no shortcuts).
Offpunk display pictures using chafa (and is best used in kitty).
Offpunk extracts articles to focus on content. (when it misses, you can still view the full page with "view full")
Offpunk also read RSS/Atom feeds, Gemini, Gopher, Spartan, Finger.
Offpunk allows to subscribe to pages (RSS or not).
Offpunk has a "tour", a wonderful feature invented by @solderpunk, which makes tabs completely useless.
MacropodCarer: Verified 🌈🦘🦣
en réponse à ploum • • •I'm also using Brave with duck duck go as the search. Chrome has its moments but far too invasive. Imagine searching for a masturbatory device online at home and then the search results reoccur at work.
NSFW in my view.
Teedi P.
en réponse à MacropodCarer: Verified 🌈🦘🦣 • • •Usually I'd use it for research, price-comparing, that kind of stuff and then wait a while... and the ads wouldn't stop. I'd be more worried if the ads suddenly stopped right after I went to a brick-and-mortar store and bought the item instead of online (glances around in paranoia).
Lot⁴⁹
en réponse à ploum • • •Ren
en réponse à ploum • • •I've been using Firefox for 6 years now probably (and DuckDuckGo).
Can somebody fill me in? What's going on here
Fidik Vien
en réponse à ploum • • •Brandon Biggs
en réponse à ploum • • •Piko Starsider
en réponse à ploum • • •🇵🇸 gangster's parasite 🇺🇦
en réponse à ploum • • •Bersl
en réponse à ploum • • •Ajax B. Coriander
en réponse à ploum • • •Laure
en réponse à ploum • • •C.
en réponse à ploum • • •The #proposal is pure, unmitigated #evil. The "#explainer" barely even tries to make it sound like it's supposed to help the #web #user, which of course it isn't.
I wrote a short thread about it here.
mindly.social/@cazabon/1107500…
Kay Ohtie, Bat-Yotie!
en réponse à ploum • • •Anton Piatek
en réponse à ploum • • •CrazyDescent
en réponse à ploum • • •Dr. Seltsam
en réponse à ploum • • •Jerry
en réponse à ploum • • •Just go saying switch to another browser, comes with several real challenges, such as
#Mozilla is using #Cloudflare. infosec.exchange/@mypdns/11073…
You will also need to tell people they should be choosing FireFox-ESR, otherwise they can's protects themself from Mozilla's #tracking / #SpyWare as the about:config do not accepts all your privacy optimizations in you
/etc/firefox/policies/policies.jsonfiles as they are logged for unnoticed tracking of your browser activities (Yes they did that to their US users a couple of years ago) Hence it became spyware, This was done to collect user identifiable data for they ever worse Spy Ware cliqs.Yes, your post is somewhat fine, you just lack all the important info that makes it all freedom and coders choice of browser, We do not use it as is, we do modify the policies.json heavily and we do a lot of #FireWall #RPZ #Blaclist on our networks to stay privacy from FF's(Chrome) engine
There was a question about what FF's containers do.
The containers are attempting to keep the the tabs water tight from each other, meaning the the one tab should not be able to negotiate with other tabs. This just not always working as AH's like #Sucker #Musk 😉 gives very little in your democracy and privacy, so you are not in a safe-heaven spot, but it is sure better. (Noticed I didn't say good, but better)
firefox.com: 0xacab.org/my-privacy-dns/matr…mozilla.org: 0xacab.org/my-privacy-dns/matr…mozilla.com: 0xacab.org/my-privacy-dns/matr…firefox.com (#4087) · Issues · My Privacy DNS / Matrix · GitLab
GitLabNazim Bharmal
en réponse à ploum • • •PragmaticOne
en réponse à ploum • • •*cough* Nope.
You should be using #LibreWolf which has even tighter security and all the #Firefox bullshit turned off.
librewolf.net/
And you can use all same #extensions as you currently use for Firefox.
I use #Linux for work and #Windows for #gaming it works flawlessly on both.
LibreWolf Browser
librewolf.netacute_distress
Parent inconnu • • •ploum
Parent inconnu • • •: Chrome die-hard fans are mostly tech-savy developers. I’m talking to them (which is my core audience on Mastodon)
People which have the education to understand that Google is a problem but, yet, uses Google tools all the time.
Yes, those people, the geeks, us. We are the problems.
The people who don’t know which browser they are using? They rely on us, they are using what we give to them. We can’t blame them.
Chłop Marcin
en réponse à ploum • • •Can you give concrete examples of "Google trying to put the web in a cage in the same way they put your devices in a cage (Android, ChromeOS)", please?
I use almost no #Google software, as I'm aware of some very negative impacts of Google but I lack concrete evidence that "Google is trying to put the web in a cage...". Please elaborat or just give links.
#deGoogled #noGoogle #stopGoogle
ploum
en réponse à Chłop Marcin • • •@chlopmarcin : this github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-…
Google is trying to standardize a way to "DRM-ize" the web.
Chłop Marcin
en réponse à ploum • • •vibhor 🍑 🏳️🌈
en réponse à ploum • • •Crow Stormwitch
en réponse à ploum • • •Xavi
en réponse à ploum • • •Nicolas Fressengeas
en réponse à ploum • • •@khinsen
#firefox
Thank you @ploum !
Could you consider editing your post and adding a reference as to why Google is trying to put the web in cage ? (I know why, others may not)
MvRiederberg
en réponse à ploum • • •Kevin Karhan
en réponse à ploum • • •same.goes with #Windows amd #MicorosftOffice / #Office365:
The only winning move is to refuse to use that shit, cuz #AllGAFAMsAreEvil !
Rob Landley
en réponse à ploum • • •Firefox is jumping out of the frying pan into the fire; the Mozilla foundation is a scam.
Vivaldi browser might be worth trying, but I haven't bothered yet.
cameronbosch
en réponse à Rob Landley • • •Rob Landley
en réponse à cameronbosch • • •Jon S. von Tetzchner
en réponse à Rob Landley • • •@landley @cameronbosch , clearly I would recommend Vivaldi as well, if that is what you are asking.
Chromium is not going away. If you want someone to work on getting Chromium to do the right thing, the best bet is to support Vivaldi.
Rob Landley
en réponse à Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •@jon @cameronbosch People are looking around for an alternative to Chrome with Google's latest lockdown proposal, and holding their nose to go Firefox. I mentioned Vivaldi and it was dismissed as closed source.
I guess that's why it's not in the Debian repository. They can't build it from source.
Jon S. von Tetzchner
en réponse à Rob Landley • • •@landley @cameronbosch
I would hope people would give us a chance. Clearly there is a lot of people that like what we are building. Not least in the Linux community.
All our C++ code is fully open. Our UI code, which is HTML, CSS and JS, can be read and people do modify it, but we have so far not provided an open license for it.
There is plenty of mods around and Vivaldi also makes it easy to do changes without having to change code. We are all about flexibility and power.
cameronbosch
en réponse à Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •Jon S. von Tetzchner
en réponse à cameronbosch • • •@cameronbosch @landley , this is a long discussion, but as a small company there are actually risks involved here.
A member of the team wrote a piece on this:
vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-brows…
We keep discussing this as a lot of us are very much fans of open source.
Vivaldi browser and open-source | Vivaldi Browser
Vivaldi Browserploum
en réponse à Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •@jon @cameronbosch @landley : thanks for sharing this. Vivaldi has a nice philosophy and I appreciate the move to Mastodon.
I always say that, in a perfect world, proprietary software would exist as exceptions in a mostly opensource ecosystem based on standards.
Sadly, we are living in the opposite were even the opensource components are somewhat "proprietarized".
sagebiel
en réponse à ploum • • •David Monniaux
en réponse à ploum • • •James V Taylor
en réponse à ploum • • •cameronbosch
en réponse à ploum • • •vampirdaddy
en réponse à ploum • • •Julian Andres Klode 🏳️🌈
en réponse à ploum • • •Mozilla basically killed Firefox for me by removing progressive web app support, half my applications are progressive web apps, they need their own windows with their own icons (and no chrome).
It's just not possible with Firefox right now, especially the snap or flatpak - gnome Shell assigns applications to desktop files based on the cgroup, and not the application ID the app specifies. Otherwise you could at least group the windows and assign icons.
Brendan Tobolaski
en réponse à ploum • • •Catweazle
en réponse à ploum • • •hothardware.com/news/mozilla-f…
Despite on use an riped of Chromium as base, Vivaldi have less relations to Google than Mozilla, because no has thirdparty investors, is an European Browser (GDPR) and is an employees owned coopertative, committed to the user and not to any external company.
Arne Babenhauserheide
en réponse à ploum • • •Jason_Dodd
en réponse à ploum • • •Most will not. I know so many 'experts' who claim they would rather use Firefox but it's not as good a Chrome.
Very few will switch on principle.
mupan 📚
en réponse à ploum • • •Firefox is from Mozilla, and Mozilla and Google cooperate.
Rather use derivatives: of Chrome: ungoogled Chromium. of Firefox: Tor, LibreWolf.
dogtrax
en réponse à ploum • • •LillyLyle/Count Melancholia
en réponse à ploum • • •Cairo Braga
en réponse à ploum • • •Ikol
en réponse à ploum • • •Baron Woke of Carlsberg
en réponse à ploum • • •Ormur
en réponse à ploum • • •Can you point to anything?
ploum
en réponse à Ormur • • •@Ormur : the source is here : github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-…
It’s basically "DRM for the web so a server can control how its own website is rendered by the browser"
Jonathan Wright
en réponse à ploum • • •I never use Chrome.
Firefox all the way.
#Firefox #Internet #Browsers
gofoss
en réponse à ploum • • •Tonch
Parent inconnu • • •@intothetilian Yeah I love NoScript. I use a somewhat-hardened Firefox as my daily driver, put through AdGuard, with uBlock & NoScript. I do have Brave for the times when something absolutely won't work on FF, though those times have been few.
NoScript can be a bit of a pain but it gets pretty easy to learn what you need to unblock to fix broken sites.
ploum
Parent inconnu • • •: I guess it is uBlock origin.
I’m myself using adguard, having a lifetime account with them and being very happy.
As a power user, I’m also using noscript to block every JS but those really needed.
MacropodCarer: Verified 🌈🦘🦣
en réponse à ploum • • •Dewey
en réponse à ploum • • •Ertain
en réponse à ploum • • •Kay
en réponse à ploum • • •I used to have Firefox as my browser but too many problems with it to get work done.
Maybe time to reinstall it?
Bebef 🦦🇪🇺🏴☠️🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚙🐼🥦🚩🏴
en réponse à ploum • • •Olamina Free
en réponse à ploum • • •urx
en réponse à ploum • • •Lyyn ☮️
en réponse à ploum • • •Firefox implemented DRM, Firefox will implement this thing too. Not right away, but it will, because it fears losing popularity, because once Netflix adopts this, people will want it to work.
People should be educated about why DRM generally is bad and why they don't want Netflix.
Emon (moved to masto.top)
en réponse à ploum • • •Marco Deleu
en réponse à ploum • • •Gerard de Souza
en réponse à ploum • • •Repair Unit [NO.3k6]
en réponse à ploum • • •Nicolai I
en réponse à ploum • • •DerBuschfunker
en réponse à ploum • • •🐧DaveNull🐧 ☣️pResident Evil☣
en réponse à ploum • • •A colleague who had to install chrome to use some shitty webapp tg'hat descrimiate Firefox, for technical training, noticed chrome post-install script gives SetUID bit to chrome binary… And if you remove (and you should) the SetUID bit, which is not needed or legitimate for a web browser, chrome will bitch that you should not do that because "it's dangerous".
So basically, google is root on your device, through the most exposed/vulnerable piece of software of your whole system¹, and if
Nelfaneor
en réponse à ploum • • •@ploum
Bob Downie
en réponse à ploum • • •David Radcliffe
en réponse à ploum • • •Wojtek Sychut
en réponse à ploum • • •90% of Mozilla's revenue comes from Google/Alphabet which can be loosely translated as "Mitchell Baker's salary is paid in 90% by Google" and "Mitchell Baker (indirectly) works for Google".
Mozilla is a controlled opposition which does what Google tells them to. When the public privacy-focused discussion is over, "browser compatibility" becomes a priority.
epicEaston197
en réponse à ploum • • •Miguel Tavares
en réponse à ploum • • •jouni
en réponse à ploum • • •I've been wondering for years why people even use Chrome. Just why? Firefox has been always good.
Also Google (and MS) are doing bad things to email as well - building a walled garden there. They aren't accepting email from small providers or forwarded mail. I really wish as many people as possible would quit using Gmail (and outlook).
Servelan
en réponse à ploum • • •Robbert
en réponse à ploum • • •Jelle Haandrikman
en réponse à ploum • • •If Firefox would support WebUSB, then I could ditch Chromium entirely.
But they won't.
RayuDW 🔜 NFC
en réponse à ploum • • •Meanwhile my company and team:
"Doesn't run on Firefox? Well, who uses that anyways?"
Me like: "Well, okay, then I can't help you out in that project when it doesn't even run in Firefox"
Team member: "Well okay, that's not my issue then"
I just leave that here without an additional comment.
OpenSoul
en réponse à ploum • • •Fionor
en réponse à ploum • • •tried it, got really bad experience, Mozzila is very sus company (on par with Google and Microsoft)...
I'd give it another chance in few years, but for now, Firefox made my work and life way harder than it needs to be and I have no time for such thing.
mittorn
en réponse à ploum • • •Pale Moon is developing separately many years, so maybe it's possible alternative. It works very slow when using shadow dom and web components, but you should ban this google-forced technologies. Pale moon refused to implement it much time until most big web resources forced it. Firefox doing nothing against google forcing all this shit. I sure, mozilla will implement all web integrity drm bullsht as almost nobody using it forks. And almost nobody will ever notice it
Codrus 🇺🇲
en réponse à ploum • • •Nidonemo
en réponse à ploum • • •Drako Claw
en réponse à ploum • • •